Lorne Brown:
By listening to the Conscious Fertility Podcast, you agree to not use this podcast as medical advice to treat any medical condition in either yourself or others. Consult your own physician or healthcare provider for any medical issues that you may be having. This entire disclaimer also applies to any guest or contributors to the podcast. Welcome to Conscious Fertility, the show that listens to all of your fertility questions so that you can move from fear and suffering to peace of mind and joy. My name is Lorne Brown. I’m a doctor of traditional Chinese medicine and a clinical hypnotherapist. I’m on a mission to explore all the paths to peak fertility and joyful living. It’s time to learn how to be and receive so that you can create life on purpose.
Today on the Conscious Fertility Podcast, I have Rosanne Austin. Now she is a four-time bestselling author and creator of the Fearlessly Fertile Method, and she’s a former California state prosecutor turn fertility mindset mentor. And we’re going to geek out a bit because you know many of you know I’m a chartered accountant, she’s a lawyer, and we were talking off camera that we can start a firm now to focus on fertility. We have the lawyer, the accounting, we’re both into mindset now. She is the coach physician struggling with their own fertility trust and women around the world turn to when they want to be a hundred percent sure they have their bases covered. When we talk bases, we’re talking mind, body, spirituality. Now, she overcame her own seven year struggle with fertility and had her son natural at almost age 44. So hopefully she’s going to discuss about the myths around fertility.
And this was after traditional medicine had said there’s no hope for her. Now, she helps women get and stay pregnant by teaching them to think, believe, and take action like a fertility success. She supports them with her books, her podcasts, online courses, retreats, as well as her own podcast that we talked about, which I’ve been tuning into and I love it. Even get your emails. Now, Rosanne, I love your emails as well that you send out. So if you’re looking to become mom, you want to get pregnant, stay pregnant, listen to this podcast and check out our show notes because we’re going to list all the ways you can connect with Rosanne. So Rosanne, we come from a similar life, right? We come from that left brain, and I’m so glad to have you here on the podcast. I kind of want to know how does somebody who’s a former prosecutor turn a fertility coach? What is your story?

Rosanne Austin:
Well, thank you for that beautiful introduction, Lorne, and I am super excited to be chatting with you about this. I think we’ve been in kind of each other’s orbits for a while, so I think it’s really great and such a cool opportunity. Well, as they say, necessity is the mother of invention. And so I had a very, well, I guess compared to some, it’s short. Most it’s long. I had a long fertility journey and it all started when I was a California state prosecutor. I was the lead trial attorney in a very specialized sexual assault unit, and I had the audacity to meet my husband later in life. And when we have together, we knew that, hey, you know what? We have to start moving on this if we want to have a family. And I don’t know where I picked that folklore up, Lorne.
I just as a over 35 woman, I just had this lingering terror. And to be quite honest, I didn’t always want to be a mom. I think it really took the right man to come into my life. And all of a sudden my ovaries were like, okay, we have to do this. And so it was wonderful. It was a wonderful feeling to get to that place because for a long time I didn’t see myself as a mom, but in the right relationship under the right circumstances, it was like go time. And I very quickly realized that I was stepping into a world that I was not prepared for. So I was used to staring down across the courtroom, serial rapist, homicidal maniacs, narcotics dealers, kidnappers, all kind. But when it came to the idea of going into a doctor’s office and being basically told that I had virtually no chance of having a baby because I was over 35, I was unprepared.
And so we tried for a while on our own, nothing was happening. So I immediately went to a doctor. I’m a problem solver, Lorne. So lovably type a control freak, like I can out type A anybody. So I wanted to attack this problem with an ATO bomb. And I very quickly found myself in an IVF clinic and being told that this is your only hope you need to do this. And I just handed my authority and my power over to people in white coats because I figured, I mean, coming from the world of prosecution, we call experts in the courtroom all the time. We let the experts do the heavy lifting. So that was the culture that I had come from, and that was a mindset that I came from as well. And it gets uglier, Lorne, but I had pretty much handed over my power and I was just not thinking I was completely disconnected from my femininity. I had no idea what all the parts were in my body. I mean, the only reason why I knew what some of these things were is because I was a sexual assault prosecutor, Lorne. I mean, that’s how
Warped this was. And so when I have into the process and was being told all these crazy things, it was actually the first time in my life as an adult woman, highly educated go-getter, that I had come face-to-face with the possibility that I could work really hard at something and not have it. And that was devastating. And so it was with all of that chaos that I went into my first IVF cycle, and of course it failed. And I had asked a little bit, does stress have anything to do with this? Should I check out my diet? Maybe should I pull back on my work hours? And the thing I was told, which is mind blowing to me now, Lorne, is Oh yeah, that has nothing to do with anything. So it wasn’t until I sat catatonic in that doctor’s office face-to-face with the possibility that I want my son very badly, and it may not happen that something happened in my mind. I need to get more answers. So that began this crazy odyssey of treatments, diets, lotions, potions, yoga poses, faith, healers, spirit, baby readings, crawling across a stage on my knees to have a hug from this woman that traveled from India. It was cuckoo. It was all kinds of cuckoo. And I didn’t even mention boiling black chickens or steaming my vagina. I was doing everything
That I possibly could. But the one thing that I was not looking at was me. I was looking for external solutions to an extraordinarily internal problem because the thing that I hadn’t realized was that I was really approaching everything from a place of fear, doubt, lack, scarcity, shame, jealousy. So it didn’t matter that I was driving thousands of miles at times a week, sparing no expense for IVF treatments, doing whatever it took. It didn’t matter if at the core of my being, I did not believe I was worthy. And when I realized, when I put these pieces together and I remember the moment I had just haveten back to my desk at the DA’s office, I had just done a closing statement. I hadn’t eaten all day. I have back to my office and I found myself. The phone rang, I picked it up, and it was the clinic telling me that another IVF cycle had failed.
And I remember feeling the cold wall. This is a government building worn, okay, so it’s cement. And I just remember the cold on my back and just thinking, what am I doing? What am I doing? And so that was this existential kind of crisis moment. And I turned inward and I’m like, I have to look at me. I don’t know where that wisdom came from at the time. I know where it came from now Lorne, but I know what it was back then. And that’s when I went on an absolute crusade. I have to look at me, I’m going to change me. And I just started scouring. And this was years and years ago. So there maybe were a few things out there about mindset from some of the big people that we know, Bob Proctor, Tony Robbins, things like that. Those are the gateway drugs.
But doing the really deep inner work I had not done. But what this did was open up in me a completely new channel of starting to think differently about myself, the connection between the mind and the body. Of course, my treatments were failing Lorne. I called in a players from all over the world, but a player in the room was not me. I was the one that was taking everybody else down. And when I started studying and I started implementing some of these things, I mean for many, many different disciplines, I finally have pregnant for the first time. Now it was with the last embryos we had from the last round of IVF that we had. And I didn’t carry that baby to term, but what that showed me is the one thing that was different was me. The one thing protocol hadn’t changed, the players hadn’t changed except for this one.
And I just went bananas and I started studying even more. I started teaching anyone who would listen. And I struggled with it initially because I’m like, well, who the hell’s going to listen to a former prosecutor? I have a JD after my name Lorne, not an md, but women were hungry for this. Women wanted to, how did you have a miscarriage with your last embryos from your last IVF cycle and not end up in a mental hospital? And I said, well, this is how I did it. So I started teaching that and then it lit fire all over the world. It went crazy. And I left my work as a prosecutor to do what I do now. So it’s a very long answer to a really deep question, but I hope that starts us off in the right place.

Lorne Brown:
Well, it does, and thanks for sharing your story and again, sharing it with so many of the women too that you’ve helped get pregnant. And also just help them find that inner self. And that’s kind of where I want to start with since we’re on the Conscious Fertility podcast, we can go a little weird and talk about this

Rosanne Austin:
Stuff. Oh, I love weird Lorne, so get as weird as you want to get.

Lorne Brown:
We go. Weird. And because we’re both kind of left-brained as well, former prosecutor, former chartered accountant, I think both of us like to sometimes see the science behind it or grounded. I often say my head is in the clouds and my feet are on the ground. Some people, they’re header just in the clouds. So it’s hard to bring this down to work in this world. And then as you experience in the medical system, some people feed her on the ground and just have a lot of limitations. And I like both. I think both. And I think that’s what you embody as well. Do you think, now looking back, you said you kind of were brought to your knees, right? This fertility journey to were brought to your knees and then it made you go with inside. So was that the trigger of your awakening process? Do you think it was your wake up call?

Rosanne Austin:
Yes, I do. I do. And I just took a moment there because I was like, it was so big, and I loved how you said it was an awakening. It was a wake up call. And I say that to my ladies all the time. Fertility is the wake up call to a bigger problem. And it was so humbling, Lorne, that it changed because quite honestly, I was living from a place of hubris. I was just really, I wasn’t an asshole. I just thought I knew a lot more than I did. And I had separated myself from my own spirituality. I thought I was raised Catholic, rejected all that, and no judgment to anyone who is. It was just my own personal journey. But I had been so divorced from my own spirituality that I never even considered it. And I kind of look back on that time with so much compassion because it’s like, sister, you have no idea.
I never even thought of the possibility that I had. I was calling in a soul. I was very stuck in the material thinking that, oh, well, I’m just going to have a baby, right? It was really interesting to me, and I found myself super emotionally cut off as well and unavailable and this journey because it hits at a completely different level. I don’t care how many letters somebody has after their name, the desire to have a child, to parent, to love, to nurture is at the core of who we are as human beings. And so it’s not just getting another Rolex or the next thing, it’s really a spiritual pull, I believe. And so this really rocked my world and had me asking a lot of questions about everything I believed. And so yeah, I mean this journey opened up a path to a journey that I’m still on and only gets better. It gets weirder, Lorne. It gets so much weirder, but so much more. It didn’t stop when my son was born, is what I’ll say. And

Lorne Brown:
When you had this, you connected to yourself, I’m not sure the words you use, but like you said, you were giving your power away, listening to all the people externally, all these experts, and you had all these people around you, but you didn’t have the key person yourself. What is that that you’re talking about? And I’m asking as in consciousness, your higher self spirituality, what did you think? Are you thinking on a very material level like Rosanne have involved or is this something where I was leaning with the awakening that there’s something else you tuned into?

Rosanne Austin:
I honestly believe it was my connection with God, universe source
And my own God-given authority, because I think that’s a word I use to describe this a lot because I think we hand over our authority. Everyone has intuition. Everyone has a higher self. Everyone has an inner knowing. Everyone knows exactly what they want. But we have been conditioned through a lot of different means to push that down and to doubt ourselves and to be overly committed to what other people think so that when the internal voice comes into conflict with the outside world, we feel unsafe. And I never had that broken down for me. I thought that my inner, like this very vibrant, wild, my hair used to be pink lorn. And so there’s this aspect of myself that for so many years was made wrong that I didn’t trust it. But I come from the perspective, and I’ve had so many wonderful mentors and teachers come into my life through this process where it became very clear to me that the desire in my heart to be a mom was there because it was meant for me. I honestly believe that it’s our higher power, whatever people choose to call that our consciousness, the collective, that this desire for motherhood is the divine speaking through us. And when I embraced that and really explored that for myself and decided, wow, that’s actually true for me, changed everything.

Lorne Brown:
And when you said you realized you had this kind of belief or program, like unworthiness was one of the words you used, right? And shame and guilt, and I often think and share in my own experiences, when your action comes from lack and fear, you usually get more lack and fear. And when your actions come from, and I’m talking about your beingness now, your actions come from feeling whole and complete connected. You usually get more abundance and resources coming to you. Was that your experience then when you were brought to your knees? There’s two ways to do this, everybody. One is life brings you to your knees. Most of our listeners brought to the knees, you were brought to your needs. And then sometimes through that being brought to your needs, you surrender. I give up, God help me, right consciousness. And then sometimes you get that connection.
Or what I think you’re doing is you can consciously tune into this and my metaphors as follows, just to kind of make this land. And then I kind of want to have you elaborate on this. I always look at it as like you’re in the shallow end, but you don’t know you’re in the shallow end and your knees are bent and you don’t know how to swim, and your arms are just swinging and flailing, and as you do this, you’re freaking out and you get exhausted and eventually you just can’t do it anymore. And you’re brought to your knees, you sink to the shallow end floor, and you realize as you sink the water’s just below your nose, you can breathe and you can stand up. So you stand up, but you had to be brought to your knees. The other way to do this, which is what I think you are helping people with is same thing.
You’re in the shallow end. Your knees are bent, and for a moment you’re like, oh my God, I’m sinking. I’m going to drown. And you go, wait, I’m in the shallow one. And you just stand up. So there’s a process. So you said you went through all this and then you figured out how to do this and you share it with women. So how do you do this when somebody is trying to get pregnant? Because a lot of our listeners that are tuning in, they want to tune into their higher self, they want to have a parent, they want to not have these limiting beliefs or maybe make the unconscious conscious, what are my limiting beliefs? I’m curious if you have a process or can share a little bit about your experience of how you do this. And I know I’m pretty confident that how you’re doing it now is a little bit more efficient than how you did it many years ago. You have practice Saturday, you figured out how to do this and replicate it for others.

Rosanne Austin:
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I want to go back to your metaphor. Brilliant. I think it’s really cool because yes, there is a point where there’s a couple ways that we know to reprogram the subconscious and to really get to a place where we can surrender. It’s either this horrifying trauma where the knees to the ground I give up kind of scenario, or you have something that’s way more awesome. I think especially if you’re conscious and you’re awake to this and you’re willing to do the work is constant space repetition. So there are certainly other ways that we can change the subconscious, but I think those are the two primary, the more obvious ones. And why get obscure when you can just run with obvious, right? We don’t necessarily need obscure to be efficient. And so yes, I mean the work that I do is about helping women really get to the place where they can consciously choose this before they hit the brick wall, before their marriage is destroyed, before they give up on themselves prematurely or ever, frankly. And so essentially what I do is I took seven years of suffering and turned it into eight weeks of transformation
Because why does it have to take that long? We get into this model. I don’t know why this model is perpetuated that we necessarily have to drone on and on for years to get over something. I think that we have the ability as conscious beings to be able to simply make a decision. We just get to decide. Now that is not denying what our past has been, but it is breaking free from this mental slavery of thinking that our past is necessarily dictating our future unless we let it. So if women are willing to be conscious and say, you know what? I don’t want to get to the place where my life is a train wreck to position myself for fertility success, nor do I have to suffer. That’s key to create success. And socially, since the women’s movement, women have been held to this insane standard of masculine achievement that’s so out of alignment.
So those of us, and look, I bought that hook line and sink or Lorne, I’m one of ’em. I’m a product of that system that I thought in order to feel worthy, I had to suffer. I had to work hard, I had to compete. I had to crush my adrenals and run myself ragged. But that’s a big fat lie. And frankly, when I work with women, it’s really about reintroducing them to that knowing that they’ve always had but simply suppressed. And a lot of it begins with a simple question that my clients, if they’re listening to this, they’re going to love it, but they’re going to remember how annoyed they were by this simple question, what do you want? How many people, you and I could probably answer that question like, oh yeah, what a great question. I’ll tell you what I want. Because when you’re connected and you’re conscious, you’re not pushing away what you want. You know exactly what it is. But when you ask people who are sleepwalking through their lives, they can’t tell you what they want. They might tell you something vague. Oh, I want a million dollars. Why?

Lorne Brown:
What’s it going to bring to you? How’s it going to change you? I love it. I have a smile. They’re frustrated. Like you said, they get annoyed. So I call it setting your GPS, right? So not how you’re going to get there, but what’s your destination? What do you want? And a lot of people that come in can’t clearly state what they want. And I go, I sometimes swear a bit with my client that’s effing awesome. And they go, that’s not awesome. I don’t know what I want. How am I going to create? I go, no, but that’s why you don’t have what you want because you don’t know what you want. We know we know the problem. We know the issue. We just have to get clear on what you want so we can start working towards it

Rosanne Austin:
A hundred percent. I mean, that’s a brilliant way of saying it. I love that because I mean, going back to the original aspect of your question is like, yeah, if you come from lack or if the things that you want are based in lack, because think about it, if we go back to my example and you ask people, okay, what do you want? They say, a million dollars. And you say, okay, for what? Most of the time the answer is related to safety. They think that a million dollars is going to make them safe. No, it’s not. A million dollars is not going to make you safe,

Lorne Brown:
Especially if you live in Vancouver. Yeah, exactly. I’ll probably get

Rosanne Austin:
You by for a couple months, but if we took the same question and applied it to baby, tell me why you want to be a mom blank. And it’s not like I don’t ask that question from a place of judgment. I want to know what the driver is.

Lorne Brown:
Let’s emphasize that because you’re not asking in a place of judgment. We’re always looking for things in the external to fill the voids inside. And so why do you want the relationship? Why do you want the money? Why do you want the healing? Why do you want the child, the baby? So we can start to work on that vibration that because, and that can come to you in many ways, not being attached to it has to be this way when you allow the universe to start to provide as well. Because really don’t you think this what everybody wants is to be happy. And they think, if I have this relationship, I’ll be happy. If I just have this child, I’ll be happy. And as we know, I don’t know your age. Well, you said you had your first child after 35. So I’m 51. Lord, I was going to say you look your young thirties still. I’m in my second half of my fifties. So we’re

Rosanne Austin:
Both Gen X.

Lorne Brown:
We’re both Gen X. Is that what we are? Gen X Gen?

Rosanne Austin:
Yeah, we’re Gen X. That’s why we’re so cool.

Lorne Brown:
They’re so cool. Yeah, my kids don’t tell me that. But anyways, boomer, that’s what they call me.

Rosanne Austin:
Oh, well I think they call us. X is zoomer, something like that. But yeah,

Lorne Brown:
Yeah. So happiness, we all want to be happy. And so we think the external thing’s going to bring us happiness. And what I have found through my own experience and the people I work with experience somewhere around 40 plus or minus five years, we start to realize we can’t get it outside of ourselves and then we do the inner work and to try and tap into that. And my goal for my patients is that they’re going to be happy whether they have baby or not, they find that peace. They’re able to tap into that part of themselves.

Rosanne Austin:
Yeah, I a hundred percent agree. And it doesn’t surprise me that my son came to me naturally when he did because my husband and I, we went on this the year of yes is basically what I did. I hadn’t even read Shonda Rhimes book called The Year of Yes. But I just made the decision that I was going to stop putting my life on hold. I was going to stop not living. And I remember it was October, 2015 that I said to my husband, I’m like, we’re just going to go balls deep. We’re going to go and we’re going to live. We’re going to say yes to everything that makes sense for us. And we started off that January, 2016 saying yes to everything that we wanted to do. We finally went on vacations, we were investing in ourselves. I would drag him to seminars with me.
It’s funny, Lorne, because he’s a police officer, it’s kind of like he knew I had gone off the deep end with all the things I was studying and I wasn’t practicing law anymore. But we just kept getting happier and happier and more in the moment, and we have out of destination thinking, which I think a lot of women get stuck in on this journey that I’ll be happy when I’ll have the baby, my husband will be happy when we have the baby. Our lives will be complete. And it’s like, nah, your baby comes to you when you treat your life as if it is complete, not closed, but complete. And you feel whole now because the happier I have, Lorne, it was insane what started to come into my life.

Lorne Brown:
Resources start to flow to you, right?

Rosanne Austin:
A hundred percent. I was doing things that I didn’t think I ever would, coming from the perspective of a prosecutor. I was a government employee. Opportunities were opening up. I mean, my practice was booming and it was just fascinating. And then I found out I was pregnant on the heels of coming home from a whirlwind European trip
Where I ate what I wanted. I was walking in stilettos on cobblestone Lorne. I was drinking champagne. I was eating raw cheese, gluten. I was doing all of the things that they tell you not to do and boom, pregnant naturally. And I gave birth to my son. He was like, I wasn’t even scared during my pregnancy, Lorne. It was a symptomless pregnancy. It was a happy, happy time in my life. The doctors, because I was quote unquote geriatric were terrorized. They were telling me all these things. I’m like, no, for whatever brought this boy to me is going to keep him here. I just walked that pregnancy with confidence. I’m like, he worked too hard to get here. I’m going to trust him. I’m going to trust my body and I’m going to trust myself. And then so here we are. But your point is well taken because we do get to a place where the more we allow the good that we want, the more we can be in the moment, the more that we can enjoy it. Remember why we’re doing what we’re doing. The good that we want comes faster and faster because we are not throttling it anymore.

Lorne Brown:
When you’re overattached to the outcome, you put resistance. You said something that to me, how I understand is your resistance was low or none in that you started living so you no longer stopped doing things in case you may be pregnant. Like so many people, oh, we can’t go on a trip. I’m going to be ovulating or I can’t eat this because we’re trying to get pregnant. And you let go and started living. You were still wanting and trying to get pregnant. However, you were also living regardless of what was going on in your life.

Rosanne Austin:
It’s the essence of manifestation.

Lorne Brown:
Yes, you were present. And so the resistance drops, and now you had flown receptivity. And I’ll share a story of a woman where she went through multiple IVFs. She did everything. We worked with her with acupuncture as well, did not get pregnant. It destroyed her relationship with her partner. They separated. She’s out on a one night stand and the guy asked if she’s on birth control pill and she goes, oh, honey, I am birth control pill. I am birth control. And what happened? They have pregnant. So you want to talk about surrender, let go. She had no expectations. She was just having fun.

Rosanne Austin:
The other funny thing about that, Lorne, that I would be super curious about it is just kind of putting it out there is maybe her baby knew that wasn’t her man.

Lorne Brown:
Absolutely. I mean, we can go on the materialistic side as well. Maybe her man didn’t have good sperm. But you’re right, is the whole thing is just kind of being the present moment and just we see so many stories of people where they’ve tried and they finally give up surrender when we say give up, and they go and drink, go to the beach, have sex and get pregnant, or they finally adopt and then they conceive naturally.
That’s the work I want to talk about with you. There’s the material side and there’s enough information on the web about the supplements. You can take the acupuncture herbal, we’ll talk later on your podcast about low level laser therapy. There’s so much you can do on the physical. I think there’s not enough out there yet on the spiritual, mental, emotional, and I want to talk about you. To me, that’s the hierarchy. Actually, I work on the physical, mental, emotional. It’s just that if somebody said, what do you think is the most important? I think the belief programs, because your behaviors are congruent with your beliefs. And so if you start to have programs that I’m healthy, I deserve to have it all, I’m worthy, you start to take actions and steps that are congruent with that. And so I want to talk to you about mindset. I hear you talk about mindset, and I kind of want to know what is it and how can it be leveraged to help women get and stay pregnant?

Rosanne Austin:
Well, yeah. So mindset is really the way you think and what you think, and you very aptly pointed out that, well, and I’m going to put a twist on it, is people think that mindset or the subject of mindset is really woo woo. It’s actually not. It’s logical and linear thoughts, beliefs, actions, results, everything starts as a thought. So if you are in a place where you’re like, okay, oh my gosh, I’m 45. It’s over for me. I’m never going to have a baby. I’m too old. I’m going to be the oldest woman at the pickup line. What are you doing? You are creating this and ruminating because thoughts held long enough, become beliefs, thoughts, beliefs. You are going to create this thought and this belief system that says all of the things that I might be doing to get pregnant, they’re not going to work anyway. So you’re bringing all of this low energy into whatever acupuncture treatments, iv F, whatever you’re doing with this low vibrational expectation of failure. And when you do fail, all that does is reinforce that thought and the belief it becomes incredibly strong, and your actions are no longer in alignment with somebody that beliefs and you’ll quit. You’ll quit. I tell women all the time, Lorne, I’m like, you cannot outs supplement out diet or out yoga, a shitty mindset.
You’re going to sabotage. And I see it. I mean, I’ve been in this work for 11 plus years. I’ve worked with thousands of women, super high achievers. I see the pattern every single time. And your body, I mean, this is a system. Our brain is not separate. We cannot separate the brain physiologically from the body. And if you have all of these thoughts that put you into a state of fear, what’s it going to do? Drive up your cortisol. It’s going to put you in a fight or flight. Fertility is a non-essential system as far as your body is concerned. It’s trying to keep you alive. And so that held consistently enough. Your body, your adrenals are going to get blown out. You are going to age, you’re going to do all of these things prematurely. And at the end of the day, your thoughts and emotions are going to be so far off from reality. You’ll just say, yeah, this wasn’t meant for me. I mean, I have heard so many, and I tend to be a little bit brutal about this, Lorne, I have compassion, but I also, 10 years in the courtroom will make you very salty. And I’ll just tell women straight up, you don’t want it bad enough. You have to be willing to change. You have to. If you think about elite athletes, you think about Selena, I mean Venus and Serena, excuse me.
If those women walked onto the court at Wimbledon or Roland Garros expecting to lose, they wouldn’t be where they’re at. If they thought they were not worth the time, the money invested, the energy, the risks they take, you think they’d be where they are today. This journey is no different. And one of the things that I work really hard and I’m consistent about on my podcast, I do a little bitty yelling on my podcast at times, is this extraordinary lack and scarcity that people approach this journey with. We’ll go out and drop a couple hundred thousand on an education, or people will spend extraordinary amounts of money on cars and all this other stuff, but shame women or shame families because they want to make the same level of investment in their fertility. What people will say crazy things like who would spend that amount of money having a baby?
Well, somebody who’s struggling. So it’s this weird thing. It’s almost like this emotional entitlement people get into, and that’s another one of the mindset breakdowns that people will have is lack, scarcity, shame, jealousy, the things that we were talking about. And if you hold that long enough, you’ll get to a point where you just won’t do it anymore. And so people will then say, well, it wasn’t for me. God didn’t want me to have a baby. My husband didn’t want to do it anymore. No, no. That’s not why you don’t have a baby. I have seen women from ages 28 to 52, Lorne, get and stay pregnant some naturally, some not. It doesn’t matter because what unites them is they stayed in the game. And that all comes down to the way that you think. I mean, if you’re telling yourself, I am worthy of this child, I can carry a child. There’s a mantra that I always tell women. I’m like, I trust my body. I trust my baby. It’s this. I trust myself. When you have that trifecta, you’re unstoppable.

Lorne Brown:
But what are some of the processes? Because first of all, there’s no blame here because these programs of lack, we distill things down. When I see in my practice, I’m not enough, I’m not pretty enough, I’m not smart enough. Those things are not enough. And fear, shame, guilt really come up a lot. That lack mentality a lot. Talk about how it can be imprinted on you, ancestrally. So we now know through research, I think it’s the cherry blossom study and Holocaust studies that trauma can get imprinted on our DNA. We know you think of Bruce Lipton, the biology of belief, those first eight or 12 years, you’re in theta brainwave, so you’re a sponge. So I share this as in for our listeners, if you have these programs or thoughts, you don’t want them, first of all, you didn’t choose them, you inherited them, okay?
They have inherited either before utero, in utero in your first, say, eight to 12 years of life. So you didn’t choose them, and you don’t blame anybody because everybody’s doing the best they can. Even if that best wasn’t good enough for you. Otherwise, they would do better if they could. They’re also running their unconscious programs. So now we know, oh, I may be sabotaging myself or I may not be running the program. Einstein has a beautiful quote, make everything as simple as possible, but not too simple. As in don’t lose the essence. So just saying, I’m healthy, I trust my body. It hasn’t been my experience that’s going to make the shift. So how do you help people get into their operating system called the subconscious to rewire, get rid of those old programs, get rid of the software that doesn’t serve them anymore, download new software so this hardware can function much better.

Rosanne Austin:
And you’re exactly right. This is why reading blog posts, listening to a podcast once or whatever, that’s not going to change anything because at that point it’s just intellectual. If you think about the way that the mind works, they say approximately 5% of our mind is conscious, 95% is subconscious. Well, okay, so you’ve have to get in if you want to change, I mean, you’ve have to get to the 95%. So when I’m working with women, we really start from a very basic level of becoming aware. Wow, awareness is huge. Because if you are not aware that you have a problem or you’re not aware or nobody’s helping you become consciously aware of what the programs are, what your current biases are, what are the current stories that you’re living by, you won’t know where to start.

Lorne Brown:
Make the unconscious conscious.

Rosanne Austin:
Yes, exactly. And so people are just shooting in the dark. I mean, can you imagine just approaching supplementation by just, okay, I’ll just take up one a day. No, it’s like you don’t even know if that’s what you need. So it’s very specific. So we go in, what are the current stories? What is the current state of the way that she’s living her life? And then start to break down where did some of these things come from? What are the patterns? So we’re bringing that conscious awareness to the surface, and then we start to ask that crazy question. So knowing what you know now, what do you actually want? And then through conscious space, repetition, constant space, repetition.

Lorne Brown:
I want to hear that because you said that before and I didn’t quite catch it. I get the repetition. What’s the first two?

Rosanne Austin:
Constant spaced, repetition,

Lorne Brown:
Constant spaced repetition. What does that mean?

Rosanne Austin:
So what that means is that, okay, so once you’ve identified what the program is, you have to consistently repeat what you want in the opposite. Now this, that can be helpful, but you have to become aware that the pattern is coming up and you have to consistently and constantly interrupt that pattern, right? So let’s say for example, somebody has the belief that spending money on fertility is reckless. I can’t possibly do that. Or even more tragic. I can only spend what my insurance company will cover. Insurance companies, not your friend girl, they don’t want you. They’re in the business of making money, which I have no problem with, but be aware of your enemy. So okay, I can’t spend this money. Okay, so you would interrupt that pattern. Well, why not? Who says that’s

Speaker 3:
True?

Rosanne Austin:
What do you actually want? Okay. So when you can answer that question, well, I actually want to have a baby, and I want to get to the end of my life knowing that I did everything, that I didn’t just hand my power over to somebody and let somebody else decide, okay, you’ve just interrupted the pattern and you’ve reinforced what you want. And it’s moving women from what they think they can get to what they actually want. So by doing that, Lorne, we’re naturally raising their vibration, getting them back in alignment with what they actually want, not what they think they can get. And it also, through that process, you’re busting through the old programming and beginning to see opportunities, chances, resources, possibilities that they hadn’t seen before. And that’s how you create an entirely different result. Now, I mean, I’ve oversimplified it for our discussion here, but we’re also looking at boundaries, communication skills.
We’re looking at faith, we’re looking at familial relationships. So it’s all of these things that come together to create a mindset. Because remember, a mindset is it’s what you think and the way you think. It’s a mechanism. So you want that working for you. And in my program, I take women to places that they would’ve never even thought to go. And it’s mind blowing because sometimes it can just be a simple question that I’ll ask. And they’re like, whoa. And for a lot of women, it’s just getting to know what it is that they want. Many women have been raised to not know what they want, and even if they did be afraid to ask for it,

Lorne Brown:
So many people play small. So you’re saying you’re living like a size four, but you have a size eight shoe. Get in there. Live large, live your limitless this,

Rosanne Austin:
It’s such a big fat lie, Lorne, that we can’t have what we want.
It’s the saddest. I mean, if Covid didn’t teach us anything, I mean, it’s like anything goes, culture change. There’s so many myths. I think that through this really unusual time in our history, it just busted possibilities wide open. Think about how many people were stuck in the program that the only way they could make money is if they went to an office. Well, how long were offices shut down? We have years of data now that show that people are more productive and happy when they’re not in the office all the time. So that broke a paradigm, and that’s really what we’re talking about is putting this a different way for the audience to really be able to take this in is mindset. Work is about crushing the paradigm.

Lorne Brown:
The paradigm.

Rosanne Austin:
It’s about busting open the paradigm that you have no idea even exists. It’s like being in a cage that you have no clue is even around you. Who says that successful means being a lawyer? I grew up in a family where that you go to college, you go get a good job where you can predict your income every two weeks and want to kill yourself after 20. It’s one of those things where we have to allow ourselves to start questioning. And I think that another way that this serves women on this journey is once they start questioning their own internal paradigm, they will start questioning the medical paradigm. And it’s not because the medical paradigm is necessarily bad, it’s because they’re so committed to the vision of what they want. They’re not willing to accept no, they will look for alternatives and come to you.

Lorne Brown:
They advocate, I think of early on where when I started going from working on the physical and really getting more into the conscious side of it and went and trained to be a clinical hypnotherapist because of this is a woman came to me after multiple unsuccessful IVF cycles back in the day where I’ve been doing this over 25 years. So back in the day where they didn’t do a lot of frozen transfers, they were day three fresh, sometimes day five back in that time period. And the clinic told her she needed to do donor egg based on her age, based on her FSH. They weren’t testing a MH back then. So you need donor eggs. And she came to me and told me what her diagnosis was, told me what the clinic said. And she says, I come to you because, and she looks at me like with her eye.
I’ve never seen this before. Oh, I’ve seen it since. But it was the first time she looked at my in the eye and said, you’re going to help me and tell me what to do, and I’m going to get pregnant. And then she points where the clinic would be in that direction. I don’t believe in their diagnosis. I believe I can be pregnant. You just need to tell me what to do. And I mark in the file literally that this person’s going to get pregnant, not because what I do, but because she believes what she does. Fast forward, we work with her for three or four months. She goes to do her transfer. It’s on day three. The IVF doctor, the REI comes out to me. We really have great relationships. Now, this doctor’s retired, but back then it was not a good relationship. They didn’t like having acupuncturists on site.
And she said, this is your fault. And I go, what do you mean? And she says, I wouldn’t put this embryo inside my own uterus. I would leave right now. This is poor quality. And the only reason she’s doing this is you fed her this belief that this could work for her, right? And all I asked to her, to the IE eyes, I go, I hope you didn’t say that to her though in the transfer. She goes, no. I go, okay, good. That was my only response. She comes out, she’s smiling. Just so you know, that transfer is a 14-year-old baby girl right now.

Rosanne Austin:
Doesn’t surprise me one bit,

Lorne Brown:
Right? But that was a good turning point for me. And then I started noticing every woman I see wants to have a baby, but there’s only a handful that believe they’re going to have a baby.

Speaker 3:
And

Lorne Brown:
That’s the work that I think you are doing and I’m doing is to help change that program. Everybody wants to have a baby. It’s obvious. That’s why they come to my clinic. They want a baby or they think they want a baby. But I’ve only seen so many women where they come in and I just know it doesn’t matter whether I throw water on them. They just need a little ritual. They’re having this baby, this baby’s chosen them, they’ve chosen the baby. I don’t know why it’s outside my pay grade to say why, but there’s something, this is what’s made me curious is like there’s something different. You can smell it, feel it off them. There’s this confidence and belief that they know this is going to work. And they’re just, like you said, don’t give your prayer away. They’re still using me. They’re still using the Western medicine, but they’re using me, I think as an advocate, as you help me because you’re skilled in this, but you’re not going to tell me everything I need to do or how I’m going to do it. I’m kind of checking in with you if that’s been your experience. Hundred

Rosanne Austin:
Percent. Yeah. No, I mean, we interview every woman that comes into my programs to get into my eight week program, and there’s an interview process. Why is that? Because I’m looking for exactly that. Because here’s the thing, you could be coached to within inches of your life, but if you won’t do what it takes to get to where you want to go, you’re wasting my time and frankly, your own. It is one of those things where you can tell having seen women overcome less than 1% chances. I know the power of the human spirit, and I know that that’s just barely scratching the surface is if you don’t believe, what are you doing? Belief is everything. I think it’s sad, but we’ve been indoctrinated to believe that belief is superstition. That belief is secondary to reason. But what we call reason is manipulated by, I believe people that don’t want us to be in our power. Because if everyone actually knew how powerful they were, we’d be very hard to govern Lorne.
We would be very difficult to control. And I think women who have the intellectual and spiritual curiosity and they’re willing to tap into that do become unstoppable. And that’s why you see women, I see women come to me in an eight week program. They start one way. They come out on the other side of that program, completely different. Some women get pregnant in the program before their next IVF cycle, and they do it naturally. Why is that? I won’t take credit for that is them. It’s who they allow themselves to become. Because you can hand two different people the same set of materials. One will reject it, the other one will gobble it up. And then we wonder like, oh, how does she get there? And people call it luck. Nah. You and I both know Lorne, we make our own luck.

Lorne Brown:
Yeah. What’s that expression? Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

Rosanne Austin:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that’s exactly it. So I really hope that women take from our conversation here that look, if you can do all of these wonderful physical things, and these are not mutually exclusive. In fact, what you want is to do the physical and the mental. When you do that, then you position yourself for real success. You make statistics, your age, your fertility past, and all of those things irrelevant because you know the path that you’re on and you start asking a different question instead of Why me? You’ll start asking, why not me?

Lorne Brown:
Yeah. You create a paradigm shift within yourself when you change your perception of the external world changes as you shared opportunities start to happen, or you start to see the opportunities that are already there and you live sounds like a much more fulfilled life as well.

Rosanne Austin:
Oh, and I’m telling you, Lorne, once, I mean my son was a wonderful example of this in my life, but when I started using it in other aspects of my life, book deals, clients, all these things, it just starts coming in and then you realize like, wow, it’s been here the whole time. It’s always been here the whole time. But it starts as a thought,

Lorne Brown:
Starts with a thought, starts with a program, a belief, which leads to a thought, which leads to a feeling, which leads to action, which leads to habit, which leads to your destiny. Gandhi, I think you said that, or Lazu or Gandhi, or maybe they both said it. I don’t know. Alright, as we wrap up, how about a few myth busters and fertility myth busters that you can share to give people, again, inspiration, hope, and then we’re going to let everybody know how they can find you. You have books, you have podcasts, you’ve have a program, and I really want them to be able to connect with you.

Rosanne Austin:
Well, that’s really kind. Okay, so let’s bust some myths here because I think it’s really important, and I want women to get to a place beyond hope. I want them to be in a place of belief. You absolutely can do this. Just make that decision first of all. But as far as fertility myths, number one is age. Stop it. Stop agonizing about your age. Your age is but one factor in the decision whether or not you’re going to have a baby. Okay? It may shift some of the avenues that you use, but women are having babies every single day. You might think I’m too old, but I promise you, on a planet of almost 8 billion people, there is a woman your age or older giving birth today. It’s just a fact. So let this age nonsense go, and there’s a baby boom for women in their forties and beyond.
Women in their forties are like, boom, boom, boom. And just decide that you’re going to be one of them. So the second thing is that statistics are a verdict. Let’s let that go, ladies, stop it. You have to remember that statistics are bought and paid for by whoever has an interest in manipulating those things. And most of them did not include you, did not include women of your ethnicity, your age group, your health. It’s a piece of information we all know they get manipulated. So when somebody, I mean like Lorne, I have a side note. If I had a dollar for every time a woman told me she had a less than 1% chance of having a baby and was told to give up, you and I would be doing this from St. Barts. That’s what women should be doing with statistics. They’re a piece of information.
Let it go. You decide how much weight that’s going to have. Don’t allow somebody to destroy your dreams based on a statistic that was done 20 years ago. Let ’em go. They’re a piece of information. And that’s it. And the last myth that I wanted to bust is this idea. And I think we’ve been talking about this through our conversation, the idea that stress has nothing to do with it. Stop it. This is common sense. This is readily available information that anybody with 15 minutes can go and Google. What is the impact of stress on health? There was some crazy study that came out just a couple years ago, Lorne, that was saying 94% of people that were going into ERs, their primary care, urgent care, those were all stress related injuries. And think about it. If stress can cause you to have a stroke, a heart attack, all of these chronic illnesses, what the hell is it doing to your fertility? So if somebody tells you, ladies, oh, stress has nothing to do with that. We have this study showing whatever. Trust your instinct, you’re asking the question because your inner wisdom, your intuition, your higher self is telling you there’s something going on here. So we just busted up age statistics and stress, Lorne. So I hope that helps the audience.

Lorne Brown:
That’s great. And I’ll let them know for that stress. One, again, it’s cyclical, right? So now I’m stressed about being stressed. A, there’s things you can do about your stress, otherwise we wouldn’t say stress can negatively impact your fertility. We do have an episode, I’m looking on my computer, episode 39 with Alice Domar. She goes through the research about can stress cause infertility? And if you also, like Rosanne said, you can Google all this, just look up psycho neuroimmunology, PNI, and you’ll start to see how your thoughts and emotions can impact your physical body. And if you’re like, well, I don’t want to be stressed, great. Check out Rosanne so you can find out how to de-stress and metabolize these uncomfortable feelings and thoughts and programs. So with that, Rosanne, how do we find you?

Rosanne Austin:
Well, you can find me all over the internet. So you can go to my website www.frommaybetobaby.com. That’s to as in TO. And I’m also super active on Instagram at Rosanne Austin Fertility. I also have the Fearlessly Fertile podcast, which we’re going to be super excited to have you on as well, Lorne. And that’s really where we have over 300 episodes of success stories. Me popping off in my salty former prosecutor way, really urging women to take their power back and to start thinking about themselves, their body, and their fertility in a completely different way. And our episodes are short, so if they need a quick hit of feminine badassery, that’s where they want to go.

Lorne Brown:
Excellent. So we’re going to put that in the show notes from maybe to baby.com. Your website has all that Instagram, Facebook podcast link. So from maybe to baby.com. And then obviously check out her Fearless Fearlessly Fertility podcast, which also thank you. I’ll be a guest. Or maybe by the time this is out, I’m already been a guest on your podcast.

Rosanne Austin:
Yeah, thank you Lorne. Thank you for the distinct honor and it’s such a fun conversation. I love the work that you’re doing out there, and I love that You stand for Conscious fertility

Lorne Brown:
Feelings Mutual. Thank you, Rosanne.

Speaker 3:
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Lorne Brown:
Thank you so much for tuning into another episode of Conscious Fertility, the show that helps you receive life on purpose. Please take a moment to subscribe to the show and join the community of women and men on their path to peak fertility and choosing to live consciously on. I would love to continue this conversation with you, so please direct message me on Instagram at Lorne Brown Official. That’s Instagram, Lorne Brown official, or you can visit my websites, Lornebrown.com and acubalance.ca. Until the next episode, stay curious and for a few moments, bring your awareness to your heart center and breathe.